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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t intend to make another comment but you made a statement hat has me curious. I mistakenly said Wisconsin when I meant Nebraska, but where did you read a commentary that was &quot;word for word&quot; for my comment? I would like to read it and how about a straight answer for a change.
The Kitchen Table</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t intend to make another comment but you made a statement hat has me curious. I mistakenly said Wisconsin when I meant Nebraska, but where did you read a commentary that was &#8220;word for word&#8221; for my comment? I would like to read it and how about a straight answer for a change.<br />
The Kitchen Table</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Brammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Brammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to take a break from this blog but I didn&#039;t want to leave with you getting a big head thinking you were my right-wing pinhead.  Sorry, it was one of the several who make millions spreading misinformation on the radio.  I had just read a commentary that was virtually point by point identical except it mentioned Nebraska instead of Wisconsin.

In retrospect, though, it could just be that great minds think alike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to take a break from this blog but I didn&#8217;t want to leave with you getting a big head thinking you were my right-wing pinhead.  Sorry, it was one of the several who make millions spreading misinformation on the radio.  I had just read a commentary that was virtually point by point identical except it mentioned Nebraska instead of Wisconsin.</p>
<p>In retrospect, though, it could just be that great minds think alike.</p>
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		<title>By: BG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I was out of the discussion over the weekend as I do not have internet at home. Don, thanks for taking the time to paraphrase the misinformation of this right-wing pinhead. It is too bad that it is difficult even for typed conversations surrounding politics to stay civil, but Jerry, if it bothers you so much that you can&#039;t get your message of JerryTruth through our thick skulls, then just don&#039;t spend the time. You should be happy that we are on the site to give you ample opportunity to feel vindicated and tell others about the irrationality, stubbonness, and vindictiveness of the crazy right wingers. Heck, you may even get to learn a new word or two (see vitriol.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I was out of the discussion over the weekend as I do not have internet at home. Don, thanks for taking the time to paraphrase the misinformation of this right-wing pinhead. It is too bad that it is difficult even for typed conversations surrounding politics to stay civil, but Jerry, if it bothers you so much that you can&#8217;t get your message of JerryTruth through our thick skulls, then just don&#8217;t spend the time. You should be happy that we are on the site to give you ample opportunity to feel vindicated and tell others about the irrationality, stubbonness, and vindictiveness of the crazy right wingers. Heck, you may even get to learn a new word or two (see vitriol.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Brammer</title>
		<link>http://edsteinink.com/2010/01/20/unnatural-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-1435</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Brammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, I don&#039;t get it and we will just have to agree to disagree.  I’m trying very hard to not sound too vitriolic but you do really make it tough.  The reason I don’t get it, is that I actually do a little thinking on my own and I use sources with different views to get my news.  I also check out further statements that just seem out of whack.   Paradoxically, I do understand why you don’t get it.
It would be nice, though, if you are going to paraphrase the misinformation of a right-wing pinhead, at least change a few more words or better yet, actually spend some time looking up the real facts.  Sort of like Massachusetts having 3 and 1/2 times more registered democrats than it has republicans without mentioning that 51% of the registered voters are independents.
As someone once said, it’s time to take a break.  I’m starting to feel like I’m debating with my kitchen table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, I don&#8217;t get it and we will just have to agree to disagree.  I’m trying very hard to not sound too vitriolic but you do really make it tough.  The reason I don’t get it, is that I actually do a little thinking on my own and I use sources with different views to get my news.  I also check out further statements that just seem out of whack.   Paradoxically, I do understand why you don’t get it.<br />
It would be nice, though, if you are going to paraphrase the misinformation of a right-wing pinhead, at least change a few more words or better yet, actually spend some time looking up the real facts.  Sort of like Massachusetts having 3 and 1/2 times more registered democrats than it has republicans without mentioning that 51% of the registered voters are independents.<br />
As someone once said, it’s time to take a break.  I’m starting to feel like I’m debating with my kitchen table.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I waited a day, hoping that BG or someone else would make this reply.

You just don&#039;t get it and I cannot understand why you don&#039;t get it. President Obama doesn&#039;t get it either. He stated that the overwhelming defeat the democrats suffered in Massachusetts was due to the people being mad at the previous administration. Let&#039;s see, a senate seat previously held by a democrat for fifty seven years in a state that has 3 and 1/2 times more registered democrats than it has republicans, goes overwhelmingly to a republican because the voters are mad at a republican. Give me a break! I&#039;m not a rocket scientist but I&#039;m not an idiot either.

I bashed the Bush Administration for eight years and I, too, was ready for a change. The reason I didn&#039;t vote for Obama was his past associations worried me, primarily Reverend Wright, Ayers and several others. President Obama campaigned that he would govern from the center and that is why he received the 69 million votes that you referred to. If that election was held tomorrow, how many votes do you think he would get?

Massachusetts reflected the mood of the entire nation (the will of the people). The people didn&#039;t vote for, nor do they want out of control spending, government take over of private industry such as G.M., dirty politics such as the offer of special deals like was offered to Louisiana, Wisconsin and exemting union members from their cadillac insurance plans being taxed, while non-union members plans would be. This is what has outraged the majority of Americans and this is why there was the Massachusetts disaster that Ed described in this cartoon.

Mr. Obama can still have a successful presidency by listening to the wishes of the people and governing accordingly. I want my children and grandchildren to be able to enjoy the same freedom and have the same opportuities that I have had in this wonderful country. I want President Obama to do such a good job in the next three years that I will vote for him in 2012. I hope that happens - no, I PRAY that happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I waited a day, hoping that BG or someone else would make this reply.</p>
<p>You just don&#8217;t get it and I cannot understand why you don&#8217;t get it. President Obama doesn&#8217;t get it either. He stated that the overwhelming defeat the democrats suffered in Massachusetts was due to the people being mad at the previous administration. Let&#8217;s see, a senate seat previously held by a democrat for fifty seven years in a state that has 3 and 1/2 times more registered democrats than it has republicans, goes overwhelmingly to a republican because the voters are mad at a republican. Give me a break! I&#8217;m not a rocket scientist but I&#8217;m not an idiot either.</p>
<p>I bashed the Bush Administration for eight years and I, too, was ready for a change. The reason I didn&#8217;t vote for Obama was his past associations worried me, primarily Reverend Wright, Ayers and several others. President Obama campaigned that he would govern from the center and that is why he received the 69 million votes that you referred to. If that election was held tomorrow, how many votes do you think he would get?</p>
<p>Massachusetts reflected the mood of the entire nation (the will of the people). The people didn&#8217;t vote for, nor do they want out of control spending, government take over of private industry such as G.M., dirty politics such as the offer of special deals like was offered to Louisiana, Wisconsin and exemting union members from their cadillac insurance plans being taxed, while non-union members plans would be. This is what has outraged the majority of Americans and this is why there was the Massachusetts disaster that Ed described in this cartoon.</p>
<p>Mr. Obama can still have a successful presidency by listening to the wishes of the people and governing accordingly. I want my children and grandchildren to be able to enjoy the same freedom and have the same opportuities that I have had in this wonderful country. I want President Obama to do such a good job in the next three years that I will vote for him in 2012. I hope that happens &#8211; no, I PRAY that happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Brammer</title>
		<link>http://edsteinink.com/2010/01/20/unnatural-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-1427</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Brammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, BG, I looked up vitriol and I certainly didn&#039;t think that I have been bitterly abusive but if you feel that I have, I apologize for that too.  Sardonic, maybe.  All I am trying to say is that I disagree with both you and Don that the Senate election results in Mass. has anything to do with the Obama going against &quot;will of the people&quot; of the US.  I also think that polling the &quot;will of the people&quot; is fickle,changes almost daily and can be manipulated.  Just look at the polls on health care that I mention below.  Who really knows what the &quot;will of the people&quot; is except for elections.  You both brush off the 69 million that voted for Obama one year ago when one of his major issues was health care:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/index.php

Anyway - to facts:
1. According to Scott Brown, heal care was not his primary issue, it was the economy: http://www.brownforussenate.com/issues
2. I cannot find a poll that shows health care was the major issue.  My source shows that it was Taxes, jobs, the economy.  Interestingly, though, health care was the #1 issue for Coakley voters.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com
3. True, True, True and True.  RE: Romney, I&#039;ve only been going by what he says his stances are on issues: http://www.freestrongamerica.com/speeches/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, BG, I looked up vitriol and I certainly didn&#8217;t think that I have been bitterly abusive but if you feel that I have, I apologize for that too.  Sardonic, maybe.  All I am trying to say is that I disagree with both you and Don that the Senate election results in Mass. has anything to do with the Obama going against &#8220;will of the people&#8221; of the US.  I also think that polling the &#8220;will of the people&#8221; is fickle,changes almost daily and can be manipulated.  Just look at the polls on health care that I mention below.  Who really knows what the &#8220;will of the people&#8221; is except for elections.  You both brush off the 69 million that voted for Obama one year ago when one of his major issues was health care:<br />
<a href="http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/index.php</a></p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; to facts:<br />
1. According to Scott Brown, heal care was not his primary issue, it was the economy: <a href="http://www.brownforussenate.com/issues" rel="nofollow">http://www.brownforussenate.com/issues</a><br />
2. I cannot find a poll that shows health care was the major issue.  My source shows that it was Taxes, jobs, the economy.  Interestingly, though, health care was the #1 issue for Coakley voters.<br />
<a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclearpolitics.com</a><br />
3. True, True, True and True.  RE: Romney, I&#8217;ve only been going by what he says his stances are on issues: <a href="http://www.freestrongamerica.com/speeches/" rel="nofollow">http://www.freestrongamerica.com/speeches/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BG, I&#039;ll be happy to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BG, I&#8217;ll be happy to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: BG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, please make sure to fill me in on what Fox News is saying so I don&#039;t have to make up my own facts anymore. Takes too much time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, please make sure to fill me in on what Fox News is saying so I don&#8217;t have to make up my own facts anymore. Takes too much time.</p>
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		<title>By: BG</title>
		<link>http://edsteinink.com/2010/01/20/unnatural-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-1423</link>
		<dc:creator>BG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it is not reasonable or valid. It&#039;s a sophistical statement that doesn&#039;t accomplish anything, like accusations of making up facts. Just saying as I sometimes do the same thing.

Fact:  Scott Brown ran primarily on derailing the healthcare proposal in its current form, as in the version produced by the senate. He also ran on reducing deficits. Fact:  Polls taken of people who were willing to go to the voting booth show the major issue to the Massachusetts voters was health care. Fact:  Scott Brown won the race in a state that typically votes democrat in presidential elections, has John Kerry, had Ted Kennedy (RIP), as its Senators, and currently has every congressional representative as a democrat as well. Mitt Romney has recently tired to show himself as a conservative in order to gain favor with that faction of the Republican party. Shall I say that you make up facts by calling him one of the reddest of the reds? His signing of the Massachusetts health care hardly qualifies, as so called &quot;reds&quot; would oppose such legislation.

I don&#039;t understand where the vitriol comes from as I initially offered an explanation as to what my understanding of the will of the people means. I was not trying to politicize anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it is not reasonable or valid. It&#8217;s a sophistical statement that doesn&#8217;t accomplish anything, like accusations of making up facts. Just saying as I sometimes do the same thing.</p>
<p>Fact:  Scott Brown ran primarily on derailing the healthcare proposal in its current form, as in the version produced by the senate. He also ran on reducing deficits. Fact:  Polls taken of people who were willing to go to the voting booth show the major issue to the Massachusetts voters was health care. Fact:  Scott Brown won the race in a state that typically votes democrat in presidential elections, has John Kerry, had Ted Kennedy (RIP), as its Senators, and currently has every congressional representative as a democrat as well. Mitt Romney has recently tired to show himself as a conservative in order to gain favor with that faction of the Republican party. Shall I say that you make up facts by calling him one of the reddest of the reds? His signing of the Massachusetts health care hardly qualifies, as so called &#8220;reds&#8221; would oppose such legislation.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand where the vitriol comes from as I initially offered an explanation as to what my understanding of the will of the people means. I was not trying to politicize anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
		<link>http://edsteinink.com/2010/01/20/unnatural-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-1422</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jerry, you just used the term &quot;will of the people&quot; in your last comment and you previously stated you didn&#039;t know what it meant. Is it possible that BG and I explained it correctly and that you now know?

Excuse me, I am going to go watch Fox News and learn the truth about what is really going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jerry, you just used the term &#8220;will of the people&#8221; in your last comment and you previously stated you didn&#8217;t know what it meant. Is it possible that BG and I explained it correctly and that you now know?</p>
<p>Excuse me, I am going to go watch Fox News and learn the truth about what is really going on.</p>
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