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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
		<link>http://edsteinink.com/2009/11/05/one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1129</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry, I am going to bow out and let you have it. I don&#039;t have time to figure how much money I would have made on stock that I didn&#039;t buy. Instead, I am going to stripe parking lots, catch fish and explore historic sites in my motor home. Catch ya later!

P.S. I stayed in two RV parks in your state this summer. One in Keytone and one in Wall. We enjoyed our visit, especially Mount Rushmore and Custer State Park.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry, I am going to bow out and let you have it. I don&#8217;t have time to figure how much money I would have made on stock that I didn&#8217;t buy. Instead, I am going to stripe parking lots, catch fish and explore historic sites in my motor home. Catch ya later!</p>
<p>P.S. I stayed in two RV parks in your state this summer. One in Keytone and one in Wall. We enjoyed our visit, especially Mount Rushmore and Custer State Park.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Brammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Brammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don - this is from the ssa.gov website:

Are my retirement benefits figured on my last five years of earnings?

Social Security benefits are based on earnings averaged over most of a worker&#039;s lifetime. Your actual earnings are first adjusted or &quot;indexed&quot; to account for changes in average wages since the year the earnings were received. Then we calculate your average monthly indexed earnings during the 35 years in which you earned the most. We apply a formula to these earnings and arrive at your basic benefit, or &quot;primary insurance amount&quot; (PIA). 

Since I&#039;m having a difficult time tracking down historical BUD quotes as they merged with InBev this year; do you already know the answer? Did you buy the BUD stock?

One last question on SSA.  I forgot whether you were/are married and if your wife got a check on her own earnings or on yours?  I&#039;m working on your total return on your &quot;investment&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don &#8211; this is from the ssa.gov website:</p>
<p>Are my retirement benefits figured on my last five years of earnings?</p>
<p>Social Security benefits are based on earnings averaged over most of a worker&#8217;s lifetime. Your actual earnings are first adjusted or &#8220;indexed&#8221; to account for changes in average wages since the year the earnings were received. Then we calculate your average monthly indexed earnings during the 35 years in which you earned the most. We apply a formula to these earnings and arrive at your basic benefit, or &#8220;primary insurance amount&#8221; (PIA). </p>
<p>Since I&#8217;m having a difficult time tracking down historical BUD quotes as they merged with InBev this year; do you already know the answer? Did you buy the BUD stock?</p>
<p>One last question on SSA.  I forgot whether you were/are married and if your wife got a check on her own earnings or on yours?  I&#8217;m working on your total return on your &#8220;investment&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Brammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Brammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s try this by removing my golfing buddies story from my reply:

A large portion of these “town hall meetings and tea party crowds are also seniors. Their biggest concern? That someone younger than them might get some help and it might cost them “something”. They’re not sure what but they don’t want to lose anything. Now, the real topper is all this bru-ha-ha about not getting a cost of living adjustment in their SSA payments next year. It doesn’t matter that there has been no inflation or that they got 5.8% this year. They are entitled to a COLA. These are the same folks complaining about the government spending money it doesn’t have. But as I have mentioned a number of times, everyone has entitlements – it’s only the others with their hands out that don’t.

I&#039;ll add a recent comment by my favorite conservative:

The Washington Post&#039;s George Will summed up the situation in a recent column.

&quot;Because the cost of living declined 4 percent last year, the 57 million are not entitled to the actual COLA, but they evidently are going to be declared entitled to monetary consolation for the misfortune of not experiencing misfortune,&quot; Will wrote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s try this by removing my golfing buddies story from my reply:</p>
<p>A large portion of these “town hall meetings and tea party crowds are also seniors. Their biggest concern? That someone younger than them might get some help and it might cost them “something”. They’re not sure what but they don’t want to lose anything. Now, the real topper is all this bru-ha-ha about not getting a cost of living adjustment in their SSA payments next year. It doesn’t matter that there has been no inflation or that they got 5.8% this year. They are entitled to a COLA. These are the same folks complaining about the government spending money it doesn’t have. But as I have mentioned a number of times, everyone has entitlements – it’s only the others with their hands out that don’t.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add a recent comment by my favorite conservative:</p>
<p>The Washington Post&#8217;s George Will summed up the situation in a recent column.</p>
<p>&#8220;Because the cost of living declined 4 percent last year, the 57 million are not entitled to the actual COLA, but they evidently are going to be declared entitled to monetary consolation for the misfortune of not experiencing misfortune,&#8221; Will wrote.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry, you made the statement that my generation is the largest group that sits on heir butts expecting a government hand out. I accused you of spinning and asked you to back it up with facts. All I got was something about yur golf buddies expecing a senior discount.

You kept insisting that I estimate how much social security I have received and how much I paid in. I answered you the best I could, so now I am asking you again: Back up your spin on my generation with some facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry, you made the statement that my generation is the largest group that sits on heir butts expecting a government hand out. I accused you of spinning and asked you to back it up with facts. All I got was something about yur golf buddies expecing a senior discount.</p>
<p>You kept insisting that I estimate how much social security I have received and how much I paid in. I answered you the best I could, so now I am asking you again: Back up your spin on my generation with some facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I replied and when I hit submit, I lost it, so I will try again.

I have drawn social securiy for 15 years. It started at $840.00 and has graduated to $1120.00 monthly. I have retired employees that draw more han I do and I have an English friend that only worked in this country for ten years and he draws more than I do. I estimate that I have drawn about $180,000.00. As to what I have paid in, I have no idea. I paid in the maximum amount every year except two. Two years before I sold my company, I reduced my salary about 40% due to the fact that I was spending the majority of my time with another business interest. Little did I know that the amount you draw is based on your salary for the last five years you are employed.

If I had invested the same amount weekly in Budweiser stock for 50 years, what do you think the amount would be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I replied and when I hit submit, I lost it, so I will try again.</p>
<p>I have drawn social securiy for 15 years. It started at $840.00 and has graduated to $1120.00 monthly. I have retired employees that draw more han I do and I have an English friend that only worked in this country for ten years and he draws more than I do. I estimate that I have drawn about $180,000.00. As to what I have paid in, I have no idea. I paid in the maximum amount every year except two. Two years before I sold my company, I reduced my salary about 40% due to the fact that I was spending the majority of my time with another business interest. Little did I know that the amount you draw is based on your salary for the last five years you are employed.</p>
<p>If I had invested the same amount weekly in Budweiser stock for 50 years, what do you think the amount would be?</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Brammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Brammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some time ago, I downloaded the entire text of the 1935 act from the SSA.gov site.  Clearly, it&#039;s a long read, but I don&#039;t see what you see.  I see it talk about taxes to be paid and benefits to be paid.  Maybe you can direct me to the section of the bill that you get your interpretation from.

I&#039;m surprised you haven&#039;t heard of the COLA thing, I hear about it, literally,  every day on TV, Radio, the net.  But then, I&#039;m not out there painting parking lots - maybe, I need a job!

So, how much do you think you have paid?  Received?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some time ago, I downloaded the entire text of the 1935 act from the SSA.gov site.  Clearly, it&#8217;s a long read, but I don&#8217;t see what you see.  I see it talk about taxes to be paid and benefits to be paid.  Maybe you can direct me to the section of the bill that you get your interpretation from.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised you haven&#8217;t heard of the COLA thing, I hear about it, literally,  every day on TV, Radio, the net.  But then, I&#8217;m not out there painting parking lots &#8211; maybe, I need a job!</p>
<p>So, how much do you think you have paid?  Received?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to address your comment on the Town Hall meetings. I never attended one but I have attended the Tea Party meetings. The last one on November 7th, locally, was a representation of all age groups. One speaker was a young Marine that had served in Iraq. The organizer was a young woman that I judge to be about 35 years of age. Veterans of all ages and four wars were well represented and we received recognition that was appreciated. I was told that ex-President Clinton referred to us as &quot;tea baggers&quot;. Coming from a draft dodger, his opinion means nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to address your comment on the Town Hall meetings. I never attended one but I have attended the Tea Party meetings. The last one on November 7th, locally, was a representation of all age groups. One speaker was a young Marine that had served in Iraq. The organizer was a young woman that I judge to be about 35 years of age. Veterans of all ages and four wars were well represented and we received recognition that was appreciated. I was told that ex-President Clinton referred to us as &#8220;tea baggers&#8221;. Coming from a draft dodger, his opinion means nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
		<link>http://edsteinink.com/2009/11/05/one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1121</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When social security ws enacted in 1935, each contributor was to have an individual account. The wage earner paid into this account and the employer contributed a matching amount. This account was to earn interest and at retirement age you receive  a monthly income, the amount being determined by how long you worked and how much you paid in. Social Security today doesn&#039;t even remotely resemble the original concept. I have no knowledge of seniors wanting a COLA next year and I personally am not concerned. If the economy remains lousy and unemployment keep climbing, I would not expect nor want a COLA. However, I realize that some recipients need this adjustment just to survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When social security ws enacted in 1935, each contributor was to have an individual account. The wage earner paid into this account and the employer contributed a matching amount. This account was to earn interest and at retirement age you receive  a monthly income, the amount being determined by how long you worked and how much you paid in. Social Security today doesn&#8217;t even remotely resemble the original concept. I have no knowledge of seniors wanting a COLA next year and I personally am not concerned. If the economy remains lousy and unemployment keep climbing, I would not expect nor want a COLA. However, I realize that some recipients need this adjustment just to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Brammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Brammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is insurance and has always has been but you aren&#039;t changing your mind as we have crossed this bridge several times before.  The fact that you could (maybe) go out and get life insurance, disability insurance and invest in retirement funds is irrelevant.  Tens of millions of people didn&#039;t and wouldn&#039;t or couldn&#039;t.   That is the point.  What happens to them?  How about &quot;death panels&quot;?

I don&#039;t agree that there is a huge difference between auto vs health and I explained why earlier.  But even if I did agree, that wasn&#039;t the discussion.  It was about Don&#039;s comment that &quot;govenment forcing a citizen to purchase anything is ridiculous and then fining them if they don’t is even worse&quot;.  He said &quot;anything&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is insurance and has always has been but you aren&#8217;t changing your mind as we have crossed this bridge several times before.  The fact that you could (maybe) go out and get life insurance, disability insurance and invest in retirement funds is irrelevant.  Tens of millions of people didn&#8217;t and wouldn&#8217;t or couldn&#8217;t.   That is the point.  What happens to them?  How about &#8220;death panels&#8221;?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree that there is a huge difference between auto vs health and I explained why earlier.  But even if I did agree, that wasn&#8217;t the discussion.  It was about Don&#8217;s comment that &#8220;govenment forcing a citizen to purchase anything is ridiculous and then fining them if they don’t is even worse&#8221;.  He said &#8220;anything&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Brammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Brammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, Both you and BG sure make a point of cherry-picking responses.  I generally make longer than two sentence responses and IMO, the paragraph about senior discounts was trying to convey a sense of entitlement.   Your response to my issue with seniors wanting a COLA next year, you totally ignore.  My issue with seniors yelling at town halls/marches in opposition to health care reform, you ignore.

I already stated you personally were excepted from the generalization.  I didn&#039;t bring up the hand out business in the first place you did.  But since you bring up  your 50 years of payments, I don&#039;t see how that is an answer as to why you are entitled to a COLA next year.  I&#039;ll ask you the same question I asked BG:  How much have you paid in and how much have you received?  P.S.  You can&#039;t count those payments you made as an employer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, Both you and BG sure make a point of cherry-picking responses.  I generally make longer than two sentence responses and IMO, the paragraph about senior discounts was trying to convey a sense of entitlement.   Your response to my issue with seniors wanting a COLA next year, you totally ignore.  My issue with seniors yelling at town halls/marches in opposition to health care reform, you ignore.</p>
<p>I already stated you personally were excepted from the generalization.  I didn&#8217;t bring up the hand out business in the first place you did.  But since you bring up  your 50 years of payments, I don&#8217;t see how that is an answer as to why you are entitled to a COLA next year.  I&#8217;ll ask you the same question I asked BG:  How much have you paid in and how much have you received?  P.S.  You can&#8217;t count those payments you made as an employer.</p>
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